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August 13th, 2004
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Pet Food Ingredients
...and some other links for those that are worried about the reliability of the pet food article I linked to earlier:

Google search results full of articles from all over on the topic

Cat Food Uncovered -- in-depth research project performed by a university student

About.com Cats Forum article

Amazon.com page for book "Food Pets Die For" along with reviews, including some by vets

Polluted Pet Food (the article seems outlandish and scary until you've looked at the other sources and verified that, oh shit, it's true)

Yes, it IS a problem, not something reported on one source by a paranoid whackjob.  It is acknowledged openly by major vetrinary associations, rendering plants, shelters that participate in the practice, and has been investigated repeatedly by a number of reputable news sources.

Yes, I have seen *huge* improvements in my cats after getting them off the grocery store brands.  No vomiting, shiny coats, senior citizens that continue acting like kittens, incredibly good health (the few things we've run into weren't food-related)...nothing like the sleep-all-day-by-age-two cranky dull-coated stereotype that they used to be like.

Natura (one of the *good* companies) has this cool ingredient comparison wizard, which not only lets you compare ingredients between different brands, but also will give you information on what each of the ingredients are, including whether they're good/bad and why:

http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=comp-wiz

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From:buffalogal
Date:August 13th, 2004 02:56 pm (UTC)
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When I had cats I fed Felidae. My dog gets Canidae. I think it'll take quite a bit to get me to change from that food.
From:priyatelka
Date:August 13th, 2004 03:14 pm (UTC)
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Moggy, I adore you, and once again, dub the with the title of "Cat Angel"....thank you so much for all the information and help.

Yes, it IS a problem, not something reported on one source by a paranoid whackjob.

And I'm sorry if I helped to start the whole thing on Conuly's journal by looking at the source the way I did. As I said there, the article by the vet was the most concing part of it and right after I read it I didn't know what to think, and frankly, didn't want to believe it because it was too upsetting.

After you gave me the rest of the information, there was no denying it, upsetting or no.

So, again, I'm sorry if I got the ball rolling on the whole disbelief thing and again, thank you for all your help...
From:kitty_corner
Date:May 4th, 2005 01:27 am (UTC)

thank you

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thanks for putting this where our beans can read it
they need to give us the right foods, right?

we added you because you are a great friend to cats :-)
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From:chalcedonygrey
Date:June 8th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for the info moggymania!
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From:beginning
Date:September 9th, 2005 02:18 am (UTC)
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Poke, poke. :)

I'm talking about this with my mother right now, and we've decided that we need to find a way to switch over to better cat food. Can you recommend some of the best brands, especially more affordable ones? Could I find them at a store like PetCo if the grocery store doesn't carry them?

Also, I've so far read about Innova and PetGuard. Are those good ones? They seem better than the others.
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From:moggymania
Date:September 9th, 2005 02:38 am (UTC)
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Hey there! :)

Trying to remember... I know that PetSmart carries the good litter and foods, but they charge more for food than some other retailers. I haven't bought from PetCo in a while, I don't think their selection was quite as good... Chances are that the *best* prices you'll get will be from a feed store -- large animal feed stores (easier if you live in a semi-rural area) get their stuff in bulk, then charge lower prices. PetSmart/PetCo seem to charge slightly higher because most people are only aware of them, and won't think to go anywhere else (so they pay whatever price is offered there).

Innova is very good, but their site's "store" search engine says it's not sold through PetSmart/PetCo -- looks like you could only get it at feed/pet stores. (I know it's available in my local feed store, but IIRC the price was high.) PetGuard is good, but I've never seen it in any of the stores I've been in at all!

For the money (since I know you're in a situation similar to mine :) the best I've seen is Chicken Soup For The Cat's Soul (or is it Cat Lover's Soul?) and Felidae. They both have high-quality ingredients and the lowest of the top-brand prices (about $1/pound if you get a big bag) -- lower than some of the middle-range brands, bizarrely. (The middle-range ones, like Nutro Natural, use inferior ingredients but then fool people by charging $1.50 per pound.)

The best way to find out where the stores near you are at is to use a "store locator" from the website of whatever food you're interested in. :)

Felidae's (owned by Canidae) is here:
http://www.canidae.com:591/canidae-retailers/search.htm

Chicken Soup's is here:
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/ChickenSoup/cslocator_distributors.php

I hope that this helps. :)
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From:beginning
Date:September 9th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC)
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Uh-oh, litter's a problem, too?

Looks like the big pet grooming place in town carries Felidae, as well as a feed store in the next town over.

One thing I'm confused about: Everything I'm reading says cats can't digest fruits, vegetables, and cereals (other than rice) well, but everything seems to contain things like apples and carrots. I don't get it.

My mom just said "It feels like we've never fed our cats before!" It sounds weird, but I get what she's saying. We're both all paranoid now, and we keep looking at Cleo (the girl cat, currently curled up next to Mom) apologetically.
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From:moggymania
Date:September 9th, 2005 03:25 am (UTC)
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I know the feeling... I lost several cats to things they never should have died from, especially at their ages, and I still wonder whether they'd have lived a full life if I had known better back then. Since I nursed one through renal failure and then had a horrible experience when she had to be put down, I *really* obsess over whether I could have saved her had I known more.

Part of the issue with vegetables/fruits is actually similar to in humans -- some things are more digestible than others. Like with corn: it doesn't get digested much, and just passes through as stool. White rice doesn't have much nutrition in it at all (you want whole-grain brown rice), wheat often invokes allergies... Cats *do* have to have a small amount of fruits/vegetables in order to do well, because their bodies are naturally designed to digest whole (aside from bones) mice and birds, so they get a blend of around 1/3 meat, 1/3 grain, 1/3 vegetable.

I'm not sure why some are advertising apples and so forth, aside from that it might be a way of signaling that they aren't using corn or other indigestible foods as that third. (In the case of cranberries, this is important as they can help maintain urinary tract health.)

Litter is something I need to get off my butt and write an info entry about... I've known about this issue for quite a while, since I have a cousin that is a vet tech and warned me, but the manufacturer of my favorite (Swheat Scoop) now has a good page of links and letters explaining the problem:
http://www.swheatscoop.com/safety.html
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From:xxasimont
Date:September 9th, 2005 06:24 am (UTC)
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Thanks for this article, Moggie. Unfortunately as an Australian, most of the brand-names are totally incomprehensible to me, but my cats have always had only the brand names (Whiskas and GoCat) that are most highly respected here. I only have one cat now, and due to her suddenly (and seemingly deliberately) forgetting her toilet training at the age of 8, she is now an outdoor cat, but a fit and healthy one. We don't get very low temperatures in Melbourne, she has a shed full of boxes of sewing materials, clothes, books etc to go into to sleep, and a very piercing miaow to let me know not to forget to feed her. She almost totally refuses to eat dry cat food though. Not sure why, but I still leave a bowlful out next to her other feed bowls (I figure if she doesn't eat it, and there are any other hungry cats aroud- I"ve seen a few wandering round the unit) then they can help themselves).
Thanks, my friend. I followed this over from the article on cat litter (not an issue as Millie won't use it, but I never did really trust those clumping ones).On behalf of the probably hundreds if not thousands of cats your cat information has helped- thank you and MIAOW, and a special M-cow from Millie who has a very unusual miaow (it sounds exactly like she's saying m-cow)
Simon
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